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day to get all of them what impact does

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being a sanctuary state have on the

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problem would you say I mean just

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obviously if you arrest somebody in

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California he's not gonna get deported

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he's gonna go through the court system

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and he's gonna spend time in jail and

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then he's gonna get out of jail and he's

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free to then go back to his cartel work

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so that's one impact of sanctuary state

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could you comment on what you see the

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implications are of that on this fight

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yeah I absolutely can and I talked about

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this in the last chapter ahead more of

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what what are we really doing with

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sanctuary state doctrine we need to

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remember when we're talking about cartel

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black-market cannabis growers and all

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those other crimes we talked about the

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beginning of the show we're not talking

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about people from Mexico that are that

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are illegal immigrants coming across the

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border to try to make a better family

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opportunity for themselves get into the

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workforce and not do anything harmful to

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the public or to wildlife our particular

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group that we're tackling are deportable

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felons they're usually on international

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watch lists because they have felony

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convictions or a you know arrest

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warrants for murder for assault with

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weapons for narcotics trafficking you

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name it and sanctuary state

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unfortunately protects those individuals

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from one being deported or handled by

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ice agents or federal agents that handle

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that as their you know general general

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general duties but it also hinders us

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from doing anything with them through

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our court system and working with

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federal officers that need to get these

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guys out of circulation and so they

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don't do any more harm in America

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there's a little bit of a contradiction

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there quite a bit of a contradiction

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actually and so sanctuary state as it

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sits right now to blanket protecting

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everybody coming up from Mexico

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illegally

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I think needs to be looked at especially

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when it comes to the portable felons

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that we're facing and how dangerous

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these guys are if their have federal

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charges out there pending against them

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is or even cooperation in that regard

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where they're handed over to the FBI or

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the feds yeah again it depends on what

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city and what state you're in in

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California for law enforcement we've

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sometimes been given gag orders and I

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talked about this in the new book where

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we're on a case we capture deportable

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felons we've actually gotten gun fights

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with them and/or our canines have how do

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you engage in and bite a suspect that

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was armed and try

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Barrett gunned down on us and because of

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sanctuary state we were told don't talk

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to ice officers don't talk to

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immigration services because this needs

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to be let go we're in a sanctuary state

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that comes straight from the top and

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that just doesn't add up it doesn't make

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sense because I don't think anybody that

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under the doctrine of or the

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orchestrators the builders of the

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sanctuary state doctrine in California

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as an example ever foresaw or I would

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hope would not want to protect

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affordable felons from being handled in

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the justice system and at least taken

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out of circulation so they can't do any

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more harm to our wildlife waterways and

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wild lands and worse than that harm our

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public and threaten our safety some

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could really really score points

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politically if you were to come forward

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and say something along lines you said

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is to recognize to his credit he brought

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light to this problem he's acknowledging

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that we've got Mexican drug cartels

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growing weed in our state and we hate

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stop it he should also come out and say

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and also I'm gonna modify the sanctuary

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state rules so that it only applies in

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certain circumstances and not others

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absolutely I agree with that 100% and

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kudos them to our new governor for

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making that step acknowledging it

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publicly bring a National Guard members

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up and differentiating the difference

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between deportable felons and any

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immigration you know not making about an

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immigration issue not making it about a

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border control issue but really making

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it about an environmental crime

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destruction of our resources and a

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public safety issue and identifying

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who's causing that and that would be

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neat to see and you know kudos that the

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governor does make that distinction and

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continues to put efforts to stopping

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these deportable felons decimating our

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wildlife and then what about just

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cooperation with the feds generally

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let's say the DEA are is the DEA doing

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all they should to work with you guys on

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this problem or is there a tension

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between federal and state as a result of

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sanctuary state etc well and the fact

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that California has legalized marijuana

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and and the feds have kind of taken

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somewhat of a hands-off approach

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absolutely you're always gonna have that

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tension because of the politics involved

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but here's what I've learned when it

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comes to boots on the ground and having

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running

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from the ground level leading missions

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with my guys and doing our missions and

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then working with ice agents or FBI or

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DEA we're all about protecting America

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and nobody's anti-immigration we're

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about protecting our wildlife protecting

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our public safety and we work together

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fine at the field level when politics

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get involved up higher and you know

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politically our directors and our Chiefs

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are given certain directives that we

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can't work with the feds tensions arise

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at the upper-level echelon and hinder

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operations they truly do and they have

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in the past they started to the second

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we had a sanctuary state doctor in

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California and really even after prop 64

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has passed but the bottom line is when

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it comes to the agents working the field

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we're all on the same page and we just

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want to protect our public and we want

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to protect our wildlife resources from

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being decimated and we'd like to see

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that transcend into the political arena

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to be more effective care yeah what I'm

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really saying is it would not surprise

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me if the feds through the DEA and FBI

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cetera are putting limited resources

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toward this problem in California

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because they're saying well you guys are

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the ones that legalized it so you

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legalize marijuana in your state which

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it's you know still against federal law

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and you guys are a sanctuary State

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you're not cooperating with us and I

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think so you know this is your problem

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and the DEA is not putting as much

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resources into California as they might

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have otherwise that's absolutely the

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case and something we've seen and we're

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not getting a whole lot of federal help

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unless it's from those those resource

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type agencies like BLM and Forest

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Service involved in cartel marijuana

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operations we're not seeing it from the

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DEA anymore per se we're not seeing it

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from the FBI you know when it can

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involve them unless it goes on in Ursa

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Major interstate case it's gonna go you

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know back east and involve some illegal

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transport across state lines things like

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that but no we're not seeing that type

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of cooperation and understandably so you

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get that one on the head and going back

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to the legal market you know we need to

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reduce the price on the legal market so

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that it's more competitive with the

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illegal market to help drive that out

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right what what are you seeing that the

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state is doing wrong with the the legal

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sale of marijuana well there's just red

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tape and there's red tape since we we

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regulated and Prop 64 was voted into

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effect a couple of years ago now but

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we did not have the bandwidth not only

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on my old agency's side but in any other

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regulatory agency licensing groups to

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really get these new growers into the

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system quickly efficiently and get them

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operational and inspected and on track

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legally in an effective way and when we

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look at the when we look at all the

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permits that are required for these

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growers trying to legitimize themselves

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even if they've come out of previously

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being black market growers for say 20

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years and it's gonna cost them between

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forty and eighty thousand dollars in

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permits and they're gonna have to wait

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six months to a year in a particular

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County in California before they can

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grow legally we're not we're not helping

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that legalization we all voted in from

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right wrong or indifferent we're not

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helping that process out we're basically

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driving those growers back into the

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black market so we need to eliminate the

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red tape a regulation if we're gonna

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stay regulating in California we have to

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make sure these growers are compliant

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environmentally they're not harming the

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public safety which if done correctly

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they won't but we're just not seeing

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that we're seeing that black market

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thrive like we've been talking about so

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far on your show because it's not an